Pretty much.cure wrote:Does this accurately summarise what we know?
Not exactly. It connects back to the mother, both in power and in other factors documented as far back as Forbidden Lore, if not the original Black Box.Malocchio's strength over and above that of other children is presumably tied to having at least one and perhaps two Darklords as ancestors or alternatively one Darklord and the GC twice.
Lucius wrote:By the way, what was Azalin trying to do at all? And how was he going to use the 13 (and/or the Ultimate) Dukkars to accomplish that?
Whoa, I was all set to correct you here, saying that Isabella was a Full Vistana, but I dug through the book and you're right. While The Evil Eye doesn't mention it, calling Isabella only a "gypsy", Gaz II says she was 1/2. I thought it might be a mistake, but it goes all the way back to the black box. There it says that Isabella herself was of mixed descent and cast out on her own because if it.cure wrote:Does this accurately summarise what we know?
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Vigo Drakov fiendish Falkovnia 1/2 Vistana Vistana?/Giorgio? Isabella Aderre? Malocchio 6 fingers Invidia 1/4 Vistana Darklord 1/2 Vistana Isabella Aderre Gabrielle Aderre /Darklord Vlad Drakov?
I think it's a pretty good guess. (Although as just noted above, Gabby is only 1/4 vistani. So it would seem you could get a stronger Dukkar with a 1/2 or Full vistani darklord. But obviously, full would be better, and that's conveniently what we've got in Inza. (As far as I can tell. Has her father ever been documented? Her Gaz4 stats say "vistana" not "half-vistana".)DilisnyaRevenge wrote:If the closest that the GC came to making the Ultimate was Malocchio who is the offspring of a half-Vistani darklord. Therefore, I think it stands to reason that the only way to be more powerful than that, the child would have to be the offspring of a full-Vistani darklord.
The only one of these that I am aware of is Inza.
He did. Which means that Vigo Drakov and Malocchio Aderre are half-brothers by actual paternity, uncle and nephew by maternity, and uncle and nephew by legal paternity.Gonzoron of the FoS wrote: Could it be that the Caller had Dukkars with both mother and daughter? Ick.
)Just a side note: "Ultimate Dukkar" is my term, not the Kargatane's--it's just my shorthand for "GC child powerful enough to get him out of Ravenloft." I don't know what such a child would mean for the Vistani.Which leads to a big hole in the logic of the Vistani. If a 1/8 vistani could be the Dukkar that destroys the vistani, shouldn't they keep better track of all the part-vistani folks running around?
Maybe instead of looking backwards in Gabrielle's bloodline, we should be looking forward. If Isabella Aderre created a fairly powerful "dukkar" and Gabrielle Aderre created a very powerful "dukkar", then Lucita Aderre would create an even more powerful "dukkar"?Rock wrote:A reason for the Gentleman Caller to select those two mothers ... Which tribe was Gabrielle's mother related to? If it was the Zarovan, might Gabrielle be linked to madam Eva? Mixing Zarovan blood with fiendish essence could cause some very serious power to be formed ...
Yup, she is a direct descendant of Eva, according to one or more of the books I looked at this morning. I think that's exactly what Matthew is getting at..Rock wrote:A reason for the Gentleman Caller to select those two mothers ... Which tribe was Gabrielle's mother related to? If it was the Zarovan, might Gabrielle be linked to madam Eva? Mixing Zarovan blood with fiendish essence could cause some very serious power to be formed ...
Okay, okay ...Gonzoron of the FoS wrote:Yup, she is a direct descendant of Eva, according to one or more of the books I looked at this morning. I think that's exactly what Matthew is getting at..Rock wrote:A reason for the Gentleman Caller to select those two mothers ... Which tribe was Gabrielle's mother related to? If it was the Zarovan, might Gabrielle be linked to madam Eva? Mixing Zarovan blood with fiendish essence could cause some very serious power to be formed ...
To the best of my recollection, Lucita is the daughter of either Matton Blachard or Andonk Szeriera (even Gabrielle doesn't know which one).Rock wrote:Is Gabrielle's daughter ...? No, she couldn't be of childbearing age yet, right? Yet ... But is it absolutely certain that she wasn't sired by the Gentleman Caller as well?
You are correct. From out of the Kargatane files . . .Gonzoron of the FoS wrote:Yup, she is a direct descendant of Eva, according to one or more of the books I looked at this morning. I think that's exactly what Matthew is getting at..Rock wrote:A reason for the Gentleman Caller to select those two mothers ... Which tribe was Gabrielle's mother related to? If it was the Zarovan, might Gabrielle be linked to madam Eva? Mixing Zarovan blood with fiendish essence could cause some very serious power to be formed ...
John W. Mangrum wrote: We hadn't worked out all the kinks, but the basic plan was that he [the Gentleman Caller] was trying to breed his way out of the demiplane. His first attempt, Malocchio, was also the closest he'd came to success, since the mother was herself so powerful. However, since Malocchio ended up such a disappointment, he'd set his eyes on the only woman in the demiplane who could produce a demonspawn guaranteed to escape Ravenloft: Madame Eva. (It's not *that* icky -- taking into account that Eva is "as old as she feels," while under the GC's sway she would revert to a youthful, vibrant appearance.)
The problem with that plan is that Eva didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday, so the GC is stymied as to how to get at her.
I'm having fun tossing ideas around so I am going to take a stab at this one too...Matthew L. Martin wrote:I'll probably let this out by Halloween, if John and the other Kargatane don't object, but the clues to figure out what Azalin's after are all there in R3E. The how and the details are a bit more esoteric.
Yes.DilisnyaRevenge wrote: I'm having fun tossing ideas around so I am going to take a stab at this one too...
From Azalin's lab notes in R3E it seems clear to me that he is no longer trying to escape, but instead trying to end his darklord curse, whereby he can gain new knowledge and therefore get his son Irik back.
No. Remember, John said that while the fallout from Azalin's plan would have a major impact on some parts of the Core, others wouldn't notice at all.Of course, when he accomplishes this, it would likely end all darklord curses (e.g. Vlad could actually win a war and would crush Borca, etc.) Chaos ensues.
That one I didn't guess either. I think I'm going to hold out a little bit longer on that one . . .As to how he would use the 13 dukkars to accomplish this, I have no idea.
No really! 
