Gemathustra wrote:And you didn't read Mr Stevenson's "The Bottle Imp" why?
Sorry, I guess my rant was way too broad there. I'd been referring to D&D material as always having weak imps, as that's the canon I might be bound by.
Bluebomber4evr wrote:Instead of fretting that Skeever didn't act like a normal imp, come up with a reason why he didn't (I personally like the idea that the Dark Powers cursed Azalin with an incompetant familiar).
Actually, I was more fretting about Skeever being
exactly like a normal imp and wondering why that's the standard for proper imp behavior. Mostly, I was fretting over whether I should also bind myself to the typical model of the D&D imp or if I could move beyond that.
gonzoron wrote:I don't think the idea is completely undoable, Cyclohexane. Just that Skeever (as presented in FtS, at least) isn't your guy. Check out Quist from Children of the Night: Demons (
www.kargatane.com) for a much more pro-active and devious imp.
Cool, thanks! Seeing the typical mould broken makes me feel much better, especially if done by someone like Mr. Cermak, whose ideas I always loved from way back on the RAVENLOFT-L mailing list. That cures my main problem, of not being sure of just how binding I should allow the canon to be.
Gemathustra wrote:Gonzoron is right. Remember that imps are not only malicious, but they're subtly incarnate. What's stopping you from having Azalin use Skeever as a spy, assassin, saboteur and personal pet poltergeist on the PCs?
Morals?
Canon, actually. I realize that D&D is just a game and that the 3.5 PHB starts off by talking about "Rule 0", but I was still unsure of just how bound I should make myself be by the pre-existing canon. I realize that there's nothing forcing me to follow canon, but it still feels like pre-existing campaign settings belong to the writers and that I'm just making a weekend trip into their wonderlands, being privileged to see the world that exists in their imagination. That's why I treat anything written by Mangrum on these boards as canon, since Ravenloft is basically his baby. Perhaps that'll change as I create things, but for right now Ravenloft is something I'm merely borrowing a corner of and so I need to be careful not to mess it up since it's not mine. I guess that's the best way to describe it, in how we tend to be more careful with other peoples' stuff than we are with our own.
Anyway, so the overall problem was with canon. How much should be followed? Since D&D defined baatezu/tanar'ri in Planescape, should I be following the mould presented there? Since Skeever fit that mould, does that mean I should follow the Planescape stuff more, or follow it less? Since WotC decided not to continue Planescape, does that mean I should let that stuff go and follow whatever? Since there's no stories with
Fiend Folio, does that mean I'm freed from the 2nd Ed Planescape or does the lack of story mean that everything from 2nd Ed still applies? Or should I purely refer to these books for stats of the beasties and ignore the personalities presented so as to keep Ravenloft a bit seperate from the Planescape?
Most importantly, since Skeever had appeared previously and his personality thus already defined, should I keep that same thing for continuity? (Personally, I say yes, hence the comments about getting rid of Skeever and creating a new familiar, either by defining the as-of-yet undefined Squalimous or by placing another imp inbetween Skeever and Squalimous)
Cermak obviously chose to follow the Planescape background (starting Quist's background in Baator) but break from the Planescape personality. That works just fine for me, as I like the overall idea of Baator but find the implementation poor (why not have horror writers when writing of Hell? Honestly, what is supposed to be more horrific than Hell???). But the main point is, Cermak broke away from the typical, meaning I have full freedom to as well. Or, I may have to sup from Kassandra's veins first, anyway.
So now I feel free to create this random imp, or at least mostly feel that way. Three concerns remain: 1) When did Squalimous appear? Did the "Ask Azalin" moderator ever define this, or Mangrum randomly muse about this? As I'm now not interested in defining Squalimous but will be creating a random familiar between, I'd like to know for sure if Squal appeared post-Requiem so I could have this familiar be the one when Az got nixed. (Why am I not interested in defining Squal? Because that might mess with some future writer who might have to either follow an idea for Squal different from what he/she wants to or else have to worry about fans feeling betrayed by writers who just don't pay attention to their ideas; in this case, worrying about being hated by one person, as I doubt this idea will go beyond me)
2) What happens to a familiar if the master dies? If the familiar dies, the master loses a goodly bit of XP. But there are no rules for the other way around... Biggest question: Does the familiar lose or keep the heightened INT, so should the familiar have INT 10 or INT 15? (Personality will be different depending, after all). And if it turns out that Squal didn't appear until post-Requiem, I also need to think of what alterations the infusion of negative energy through the familiar bond might provide. (I looked at the Fiendish Power Ritual section in CotN: Demons for Necropolis, but feel that's too powerful for my taste; I was thinking something simple like being able to control undead like a cleric of equal level to his hit dice)
3) Why Azalin? Exactly what are my own motivations for including Azalin into this? Why not a generic wizard visiting Il Aluk for the Requiem festival? Am I being just a foolish fanboy going "Dude, Azalin's cool, of course I'll use him!" or am I serious enough to not end up disparaging Azalin while doing so? And especially, can I resist the typical "Well, I made this imp, so I can say that Azalin told him whatever I want Azalin to have told him to, regardless of whether that would fit Azalin or not!" I've got to check my own motivations and make sure I'm using Azalin for Azalin and not simply because he's a big bad motha'.
So I still got a lot of concerns.