Calibans in Dementlieu - Port-a-Lucine - Hunted?

[Heretic]

Just wondering if someone had an idea on how a Caliban (And other freaks: drow, tiefling) would be treated by the locals in Dementlieu.

Would they be hunted on sight? Treated as circus freaks? Would gendarmes (the authorities) tolerate them in the fancier places of the city?


Thanks in advance!

[Isabella]

Dementlieu prides itself on being an "enlightened" nation, so I doubt any Caliban would be hunted on sight. In fact, I'm sure they have the exact same legal rights as any other citizen. They may be harassed by the gendarme, escorted out of well-to-do areas of the city, poorly represented legally, and find that government offices tend to ignore their requests, but if they ever press the matter they will be assured this is just a hitch in the system, and it will be all cleared up in no time (which it never will).

[Archedius]

ditto

[Manofevil]

I remember a fanfic where a dementlieuese gent says 'We may point and laugh but at least we don't mob and try to burn you at the stake.'

[Gonzoron of the FoS]

Hugues Maigney from the RLDMG is a semi-respectable caliban gunsmith and shopkeeper in Port-a-lucine. So canon-wise, they are well-accepted, compared to other lands, at least on the fringes of society. I wouldn't expect one to end up on the Council of Brilliance, but certainly no Tepest-style lynch mobs.

[Desertrising]

I think that the treatment would be very similar to the way black people were treated in New England in our early history. They were not persecuted, but when things went wrong the blacks were the first to get harrased by police.

come to think of it, not much has changed....

[ScS of the Fraternity]

Nope.

Although, the idea of Calibans being hunted for sport does have some potential.
Perhaps an estate kept in the forest where hunting enthusiasts can hunt the most dangerous game.

[Gonzoron of the FoS]

Although, the idea of Calibans being hunted for sport does have some potential.
Perhaps an estate kept in the forest where hunting enthusiasts can hunt the most dangerous game.

Certainly something The Hunt Club would be interested in. (one of the few bright spots in Champions of Darkness).

[LouisVendredi]

I have a Dementlieuse NPC IMC. He was abandoned by his parents and was raised in an orphanage. He is human-looking except for being covered in brown fur. He suffered a lot of teasing from the other orphans and to this day is known as Marcel LaBete, the name given to him as a cruel joke. He eventually grew up and is a Cartographer with the Mordent Cartographic Society where he's accepted much better.

Of course, when he met the PC who was a monk who followed the Divinity of Mankind from Paridon, things got interesting.

[Heretic]

Thanks for the responses guys. I see them treated a lot with mockery and to an extent, curiosity by the richer enlightened population. They would be seen as attractions, circus freaks.

What I do wonder, is how would the outcasts such as drow, tieflings would fit in the picture in Dementlieu, how would locals react to the dark skinned elf, or the horned human with a tail.

Wonder if there's something in the books I missed about how those creatures would be treated.

[ewancummins]

Thanks for the responses guys. I see them treated a lot with mockery and to an extent, curiosity by the richer enlightened population. They would be seen as attractions, circus freaks.

What I do wonder, is how would the outcasts such as drow, tieflings would fit in the picture in Dementlieu, how would locals react to the dark skinned elf, or the horned human with a tail.

Wonder if there's something in the books I missed about how those creatures would be treated.

I don't see drow as being as hated and feared as in a world like Toril, where they are a major menace to civilization. In the Realms, most people will never see a drow, but there are lots of stories accuratly depicting them as a race of evil monsters. In Ravenloft, not so much. I doubt most natives of the demiplane have ever heard of drow. A dark elf is just another pointy eared freak if you don't know that black skinned elf= frickin' evil elf.

One thing I think could huge issues for the dark elves is their aversion to sunlight. In many domains, the people fear all manner of evil nocturnal monsters. Being unable to function in daytime would raise all sorts of red flags with most folks.

Tieflings.....GRAB THE PICHFORKS! Any tiefling in Ravenloft better have invested in disguise skills, or these guys may be in trouble. Enlightened Dementlieu would quite possibly regard them as pitiful freaks or side show curiousities. Lamordians might want to turn them over to Herr Doktor, so that he could try to help the poor deformed tieflings with his surgical skills....eeek! A free roaming tifeling in most other domains is a magnet for angry mobs with torches!

[Rotipher of the FoS]

One thing I think could huge issues for the dark elves is their aversion to sunlight. In many domains, the people fear all manner of evil nocturnal monsters. Being unable to function in daytime would raise all sorts of red flags with most folks.

Which is a factor the ones Jester included in Liffe's description don't have to worry about. Not much direct sunlight in the Nocturnal Sea region for them to avoid, eh?

[The Giamarga]

, how would locals react to [...] the horned human with a tail.

If those tieflings have such overt deformities. IMO every tiefling looks a bit different. In 2E tieflings could have very minor deformities or almost hidden ones, similar to what people could get from a failed power check or two. I'm not sure about the 3E look of tieflings, btu there's at least one 3rd party product that gives you back something similar to the 2E options. The 4E look is a bit over-the top compared to what they looked like previously.

Note that one of the esteemed Fraternity members is a tiefling and he hides it by wearing dark glasses and a top-hat iirc. OOC i think that you can take hints from the individuals OR (outsider ratings) and skill ratings (diplomacy, disguise, bluff). Tieflings wouldn't be much worse than a caliban ahving at most an OR of 4 or 5 imho, but easily toned down by succesful disguise check.

Here's an interesting older discussion about tieflings and OR.

[ewancummins]

, how would locals react to [...] the horned human with a tail.

If those tieflings have such overt deformities. IMO every tiefling looks a bit different. In 2E tieflings could have very minor deformities or almost hidden ones, similar to what people could get from a failed power check or two. I'm not sure about the 2E look of tieflings, btu there's at least one 3rd party product that gives you back something similar to the 2E options. The 4E look is a bit over-the top compared to what they looked like previously.

Note that one of the esteemed Fraternity members is a tiefling and he hides it by wearing dark glasses and a top-hat iirc. OOC i think that you can take hints from the individuals OR (outsider ratings) and skill ratings (diplomacy, disguise, bluff). Tieflings wouldn't be much worse than a caliban ahving at most an OR of 4 or 5 imho, but easily toned down by succesful disguise check.

Here's an interesting older discussion about tieflings and OR.

Good point. I dislike the 4E tieflings, anyway.

Can you imagine how poorly dragonborn would be received?

[Jason of the Fraternity]

I'm not sure about the 3E look of tieflings, btu there's at least one 3rd party product that gives you back something similar to the 2E options.

3E didn't have all the details and variations for tiefling that 2E had. However, 2E also had the entire product line of Planescape to help build upon the planetouched races. 3E just had a handful of various "planar"-themed books that occasionally touched upon tieflings.

In particular, Green Ronin publishing came out the supplement entitled Aasimars and Tieflings, which did a really good job of brining back some of the versatility to 3E.

The 4E look is a bit over-the top compared to what they looked like previously.

Have only briefly looked through 4E thus far, but I haven't been very pleased with the newest translation of the tiefling race. A bit too standardized/"cookie-cutter" for my personal tastes...

Note that one of the esteemed Fraternity members is a tiefling and he hides it by wearing dark glasses and a top-hat iirc.

You are correct, sir. (see Anthony Reuland in the Fraternity member roster).