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		<title>Cure at 23:29, 13 April 2010</title>
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;So, there&amp;#039;s no mention of Dread Familiars in 2e, and no mention of Pseudo-familiars in 3e.   Latest info from each edition says &amp;quot;everyone gets one&amp;quot;.  I&amp;#039;m inclined to believe they are the same thing by a different name, (like [[Dread Treant]] vs. [[Evil Treant]], etc.), rather than that Pseudos are more powerful Dreads.   They have been depowered in 3e compared to 2e, but familiars in general got a big power up in 3e, so it balances out somewhat.  And lots of critters lost or gained abilities in the translation, so that&amp;#039;s not too unusual.  I&amp;#039;m inclined to just combine them into one entry with a note about their different name and different powers between editions.   Thoughts? -- [[User:Gonzoron|Gonzoron]] 23:10, 13 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;So, there&amp;#039;s no mention of Dread Familiars in 2e, and no mention of Pseudo-familiars in 3e.   Latest info from each edition says &amp;quot;everyone gets one&amp;quot;.  I&amp;#039;m inclined to believe they are the same thing by a different name, (like [[Dread Treant]] vs. [[Evil Treant]], etc.), rather than that Pseudos are more powerful Dreads.   They have been depowered in 3e compared to 2e, but familiars in general got a big power up in 3e, so it balances out somewhat.  And lots of critters lost or gained abilities in the translation, so that&amp;#039;s not too unusual.  I&amp;#039;m inclined to just combine them into one entry with a note about their different name and different powers between editions.   Thoughts? -- [[User:Gonzoron|Gonzoron]] 23:10, 13 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;I am persuaded that you are right.[[User:Cure|Cure]] 23:29, 13 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Gonzoron: Created page with &#039;On the Talk:Silessa page, Cure asked:  &quot;Would she also be a Dread Familiar? Which is also to invite the question of whether all pseudo-familiars are dread familiars. I would …&#039;</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;#039;On the &lt;a href=&quot;/wiki/Talk:Silessa&quot; title=&quot;Talk:Silessa&quot;&gt;Talk:Silessa&lt;/a&gt; page, Cure asked:  &amp;quot;Would she also be a Dread Familiar? Which is also to invite the question of whether all pseudo-familiars are dread familiars. I would …&amp;#039;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;On the [[Talk:Silessa]] page, Cure asked:  &amp;quot;Would she also be a Dread Familiar? Which is also to invite the question of whether all pseudo-familiars are dread familiars. I would say yes.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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I did a bit of research:&lt;br /&gt;
* Black Box (1990): Only evil wizards get familiars&lt;br /&gt;
* Red Box (1994): Only evil wizards get familiars&lt;br /&gt;
* RLMCIII (1994): First mention of Pseudo-familiars... all good/neutral wizards get pseudo-familiars.&lt;br /&gt;
* Domains of Dread (1997): Only evil wizards get the familiars &amp;#039;&amp;#039;they want&amp;#039;&amp;#039;.  Everyone else gets pseudo-familiars.&lt;br /&gt;
* RCS(2001):  First mention of Dread Familiars.  Everyone gets a Dread Familiar.&lt;br /&gt;
* RLPH(2003): same as RCS.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So, there&amp;#039;s no mention of Dread Familiars in 2e, and no mention of Pseudo-familiars in 3e.   Latest info from each edition says &amp;quot;everyone gets one&amp;quot;.  I&amp;#039;m inclined to believe they are the same thing by a different name, (like [[Dread Treant]] vs. [[Evil Treant]], etc.), rather than that Pseudos are more powerful Dreads.   They have been depowered in 3e compared to 2e, but familiars in general got a big power up in 3e, so it balances out somewhat.  And lots of critters lost or gained abilities in the translation, so that&amp;#039;s not too unusual.  I&amp;#039;m inclined to just combine them into one entry with a note about their different name and different powers between editions.   Thoughts? -- [[User:Gonzoron|Gonzoron]] 23:10, 13 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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