Spawn of the Lizard

Mortepierre · Post by **Mortepierre** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:52 am

What do we know exactly about it?

Apart from the small entry in GAZ II, that is.

There is a one-sentence reference to it in the introduction to chapter 4 in LotB, but that's all. At least, all that I am aware of.

Has someone been fleshing out those scaly marauders?

Drinnik Shoehorn · Post by **Drinnik Shoehorn** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:37 am

Well, their leader, the Basilisk, is a larger than normal kobold, so I'd say that makes him either an advanced kobold or a half kobold/half dragon (I'm leaning towards half green or half brass).

AdamGarou · Post by **AdamGarou** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:59 am

Drinnik Shoehorn wrote:Well, their leader, the Basilisk, is a larger than normal kobold, so I'd say that makes him either an advanced kobold or a half kobold/half dragon (I'm leaning towards half green or half brass).

Um... I guess I'm missing something here (and I don't have Gaz II in front of me to reference)... a kobold and a dragon?!

I mean, I know the basic biology involved, but... how?

Jasper · Post by **Jasper** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:43 am

A wagon load of wine, a dinner by burning villagelight, a little Barry and a hole LOTA lube....

Corrupted_Loremaster · Wed Jun 29, 2005 1:00 pm

Hmm...now if only I could remember where I put that copy of "The Quintessential Kobold". Then again, even I had trouble not laughing at some of the stuff in there. Kobold monks idolizing the power of dragons indeed...or maybe it was the part about using asbestos vests doused in alchemist's fire to make themselves deadly grapplers that really put it over the top.

The Pickled Punk · Post by **The Pickled Punk** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:07 pm

The Baslisk should probably be a Half-Dragon (green or black) Rog/Sor. The Spawn of the Lizard use stealth and traps, not frontal assaults. They probably focus on stealing food and supplies, with occaissional assaults on Drakov's men.

Rotipher of the FoS · Post by **Rotipher of the FoS** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 1:52 pm

If dragon-hybrids are too un-Gothic for your tastes, you could instead say that the Basilisk is a Twisted reject from the Carnival with who-knows-what kind of abilities -- maybe "Basilisk" is meant literally, and it petrifies enemies with touch, venom and/or gaze? -- or perhaps a yuan-ti whose appearance just happens to be more lizard-like than serpentine, who'd convinced the kobolds it's a "divinely-gifted" member of their race so it could gain some minions on the cheap. Other options might include that it's a werecrocodile a la Har'Akir, a curse-disfigured Talon who fled his own liege to avoid enslavement as a "freak", or even a kobold variant on the vampire (which hasn't been published AFAIK).

Cole Deschain · Post by **Cole Deschain** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:46 pm

Kobolds rule.

But this one could just have a few levels in fighter and sorceror. A little arcane might can go a long way in a place like Falkovnia.

Don Fernando · Post by **Don Fernando** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 7:17 am

Rotipher wrote:If dragon-hybrids are too un-Gothic for your tastes

I am of the oppinion that dragons and anything related to dragons is completely un-Gothic.

Here's is a quote of David Wise's comment on the Ravenloft Campaign Setting (Red Box):

"[...]In a related decision, the Kargat judged drow too foreign to the tone of the setting, as are dragons [...]"

I would like to add that I agree with the Kargat, dragons are not gothic at all.

Cole Deschain · Post by **Cole Deschain** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 10:27 am

And yet we still have Ebb...

AdamGarou · Post by **AdamGarou** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 10:38 am

Cole Deschain wrote:And yet we still have Ebb...

And Gloom, if you like Dread Possibilities...

And, if I'm not mistaken, a small red dragon in Vampire of the Mists or Knight of the Black Rose (can't remember which, but it's supposedly one of Strahd's minions in Castle Ravenloft)...

Malus Black · Post by **Malus Black** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 10:44 am

And the four red dragons in I6 - the one in Vampire or Knight is presumably one of those, or possibly a descendant.

Blackpaws · Post by **Blackpaws** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 10:50 am

Don Fernando wrote: I would like to add that I agree with the Kargat, dragons are not gothic at all.

Perhaps not an actual dragon, but used as a title, symbol, or in dreams a dragon could find itself suitable in a gothic setting.

Don Fernando · Post by **Don Fernando** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:23 am

Malus Black wrote:And the four red dragons in I6

I thought they were more like statues of some sort than actual dragons.

Actually I find very interesting the idea of a dream dragon, a Dream Spawn that attaks only people from Sithicus, for example. Then again, even though unique monsters are a Ravenloft Trademark, try to imagine the possibility of seeing a giant lizard using his breath weapon against a vampire...I guess it's not scary at all...

Blackpaws · Post by **Blackpaws** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:37 am

A dragon of mist would be scary.

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