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Scipion_Emilien wrote:Can you say to me from which quote of the raven did you get this info on Nidala? I always dream of sending my PC there but i have only the RLCS as info for that domain.

I'm not aware of a QtR that has Nidala info, most of this thread has been discussing the framing fiction from the Kargatane netbook, "The Book of Shadows".

Smeazel wrote:

The Dark One wrote:about copyright material: u can "share" 10% of the book (that actually for me would be the nidala section of island of terror heheh).

Not true, I'm afraid; there's no set proportion of a book you can legally share without violating copyright, and certainly as much as 10% could get you in serious trouble. Technically, even sharing a single paragraph could be enough to get you sued. In practice, I really doubt WotC would bother to go after someone for sharing a copy of part of an out-of-print book like that, as long as it wasn't done too publically or too widely, but they would be in their legal rights to bring suit for it.

Legally u can copy about 10% of any book, if this weren't legal how there would be on amazon.com the "first chapter thing"? Of course you cannot sale this 10%.

Besides...
what happend to ravenloft in this 3rd edition, i wouldn't both if someone shared all the 2nd edition stuff, since the line is broken (no island of terrors, incomplete domains description, incomplete darklord book) and some books are money stealers: heroes of light / champions of darkness, and with 3.5: Ravenloft campaign setting 3.0, Denizens of darkness, and with the gazzetters: Secret of the dread realms.

I apology be saying this, i know there was hardwork behind it and there are great books like the gazzetteers, van richtens, but one thing is true: How u suppose to "ressurect" the setting, which major supplents are a LONG time Out Of Print and attract new players without having the basic stuff: full domains description, full darklord description? It's like to make the setting a golem, since it was alive but... without soul, or a broken soul.

Ok, may be said that there was too much stuff, but f..., it wasn't needed to make a full density description of all domains and all darklords, but basic description like made in Domains would be welcome, and the logically first thing to do, them make supplements with deep descritpion of each one.

But what we got: prestige classes (witch hunter in Secrets OHGOD!, turned monster hunter in PHB), and a bunch of npcs that aren't so important like the Darklord and his minions (who the hell came: sheriff von Zarovich?!)


Sorry for my poor english, but this broken 3rd edition Ravenloft sometimes makes me very angry, since it is sad to see the setting that u like so .... broken.

PS1: I am strongly against piracy.
PS2: that the dark powers curse you if u come and say that the DMG has description of all darklords.
PS3: don't come and say u can get most supplements on e-bay or amazon.com (used), since not all own international credit card, courage to buy used stuff and money to pay the ship&handling of this kind of purchase.

The Dark One wrote:Legally u can copy about 10% of any book, if this weren't legal how there would be on amazon.com the "first chapter thing"? Of course you cannot sale this 10%.

I don't know where you heard this, but no, it is simply false. You cannot legally copy 10%, or any other fixed percentage, of a book. You can reproduce small portions of a book in reviews and in other "fair use" contexts, but those definitely will be much smaller than 10%.

The amazon "first chapter thing" has a very simple explanation--that's part of amazon.com's deal with the publishers. The publishers allow them to display that first chapter on the site to attract readers. But the only reason amazon.com can legally show the first chapters of the books is because they have the publishers' permission. There is no "10%" rule.

See this list of copyright myths, and in particular item six on the list. I quote from the site's explanation: "There are no legal rules permitting the use of a specific number of words, a certain number of musical notes, or percentages of a work."

As I said, I really doubt WotC would go after someone for sharing copies privately of a few pages of an out-of-print work. I'm not necessarily saying you shouldn't do it. All I'm saying is that it is, technically, illegal. There is no rule making it legal to share 10% of a work.

I think there is been a mistake, 10% rule is a brazilian rule for what american call as "fair use", that be reading

http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html

in US is undefined.

In Brazil the regulation is based on the law number (beside treaties): 9.610/98, where the art. 46, paragraph VIII defines fair use as being especially: not obstruction of the normal exploration of the work copied. Common sense and some tribunals decision established the quota of 10% of the book to be considered "fair use".


Once again, i am not for piracy, the previous reply was only a "manifesto" about what was done with Ravenloft on my point of view.

Ah, see, well, if you're talking about Brazilian law, that's another matter altogether. Except that I'm pretty sure U.S. companies with their works under U.S. copyright can still sue someone under U.S. law, so I don't know if Brazilian law is terribly relevant in this case.

Anyway, I certainly wasn't trying to say you were for piracy, and again I wasn't necessarily saying you shouldn't try to get a copy of the Nidala section of Islands of Terror; all I was trying to do was clarify the law. But, as I said, even if it is illegal, it's extremely unlikely that WotC would bother to go after someone in court for just getting a copy of a few pages from an out-of-print work.

Yes, i know it, but... you never know who is reading the messages that u post on a forum


Beside i believe that WotC won't do anything about Ravenloft, since their product line is now based on Forgotten Realms, Eberron, General Rulebooks and some Dragonlance stuff (even if under another license).

So Ravenloft is a dead line (sadly but realistic), and i wont be surprised if they make the supplements avaliable to dload like the Grand conjunction series.