Ravenloft Artbook of Talon Dunning

Discussing all things Ravenloft
User avatar
Zilfer
Evil Genius
Evil Genius
Posts: 4231
Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:14 pm
Gender: Male
Location: WA (Land of lots of trees)
Contact:

Re: Ravenloft Artbook of Talon Dunning

Post by Zilfer »

Talon wrote:
Zilfer wrote:[ We'll see if Ravenloft ever picks up in the future and they contact you again. Still only just a faint possibility but i'm sure i'm not the only one around here that would approve. xD
I'm glad that you think so. Even if WOtC publishes a D&D Next version of Ravenloft, it's doubtful that I'll be selected to draw for it, given their reputation for the highest quality art. WOtC is a really difficult gig to get, especially for D&D and MtG. Let's just say that I'm not holding my breath for that one.
Lol you said that earlier in the topic I had reread through earlier today. xD

No worries though.
There's always something to lose.

Fraternity of Shadows Discord
https://discord.gg/AM6Kp95ekf
User avatar
Rogold Gildenman
Agent of the Fraternity
Agent of the Fraternity
Posts: 94
Joined: Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:18 am

Re: Ravenloft Artbook of Talon Dunning

Post by Rogold Gildenman »

Out of curiosity Master Dunning, are there any characters from or locations in The Land of Mists that you have not yet been asked to depict that none-the-less catch your interest?
User avatar
Talon
Arch-villain
Arch-villain
Posts: 154
Joined: Sun Sep 19, 2010 12:52 am
Gender: Male
Location: Atlanta, GA
Contact:

Re: Ravenloft Artbook of Talon Dunning

Post by Talon »

Rogold Gildenman wrote:Out of curiosity Master Dunning, are there any characters from or locations in The Land of Mists that you have not yet been asked to depict that none-the-less catch your interest?
Not specifically, although there are several that I was never asked to draw. The d20 game concentrated mostly on the lands of the Core, as I recall, so I never had the opportunity to draw many of the Domain Lords or characters related to the various non-attached domains. But there weren't any from the old edition that I can specifically recall that I wish I'd gotten to draw. Frankly, I'm not that familiar with the setting's NPCs. Most of the Ravenloft games I've played or run in didn't really involve the established characters very much, so beyond the ones that appeared in the classic modules, like Strahd, Van Richten, Mordenhiem, Azlin, and Inhajira, I've never really dealt with the Ravenloft characters. I only knew which ones were from the original game and which ones were original to d20 by looking them up in my old 2e books. Luckily, I have most of the original boxed sets and sourcebooks that I could use as references. I wanted to make sure I captured the look of the original characters and feel that a occasionally stuck to the old designs a little TOO much. I would have liked to have put a bit of my own spin on them. After all, it's doubtful that Ivana Boristi wears those same crazy loop earrings every day, right?

Mostly, my Ravenloft regrets revolve around the portraits I did get to draw not really capturing the feel of the characters or not being up to snuff, artistically. This is especially true of some of the older ones before I had really established the artistic approach I wanted to take with the series. Some are perfect, but some I wish I could go back and redo. A lot of them seem a bit on the cartoony side to me now, without a lot of use of shadow or rendering. And, of course, I wish they'd been in color. My color skills weren't quite as refined in the early 00's as they are today, so I'm sure they wouldn't have been great, but I would love the opportunity to redo some of those portraits in full color today (for publication in a new Ravenloft edition, of course).
From the mind of Talon Dunning
http://www.talonart.com - http://www.arcane-marks.com
User avatar
Zilfer
Evil Genius
Evil Genius
Posts: 4231
Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:14 pm
Gender: Male
Location: WA (Land of lots of trees)
Contact:

Re: Ravenloft Artbook of Talon Dunning

Post by Zilfer »

People from original module? you mean like... the messanger? Ismark the brother of Irene(tatyanna reincarnation), the dead body of the father... strahd? Gertrude (kidnapped girl Strahd had recently kidnapped.... and daughter of 'Mad Mary') Mad Mary (Lady driven crazy by Strahd taking her daughter...), Helga (maid girl that is a vampire pretending to be kidnapped to betray the party later on whenever it's the worst possible moment...), and.... that random Lycanthrope that tries to do the same thing.... that's the only NPC's I can think of from the original module.

Oh and Madame Eva... xD
There's always something to lose.

Fraternity of Shadows Discord
https://discord.gg/AM6Kp95ekf
User avatar
Talon
Arch-villain
Arch-villain
Posts: 154
Joined: Sun Sep 19, 2010 12:52 am
Gender: Male
Location: Atlanta, GA
Contact:

Re: Ravenloft Artbook of Talon Dunning

Post by Talon »

Zilfer wrote:People from original module?
Uh, not THAT classic (although I have run both the 2e and 3.5 versions of it). I meant the classic 2e AD&D game. The big red boxed set and the old Van Richten's guides, and the two modules that death with the Great Conjunction (or whatever it was called, it's been decades since I looked over that stuff). The truth of it is that although I may have drawn all these guys, I'm actually not all that familiar with who they are, as none of those details were really that important to what they looked like. I worked from a basic description of the character and their appearance, and the illustrations of them that had been done before. I've never delved that deeply into the setting's lore, as I've never needed to either professionally or in my games. I've only dealt with the big hitters like Strahd and Azalin. The vast majority of the Ravenloft characters I only know by name from having drawn them. In other words, I don't know the characters from the setting well enough to know if there are any that I didn't get to draw that would have liked to, which was the original question. I seem to remember an Egyptian mummy from one of the old books... Amunhotep or something... He might have been fun.
From the mind of Talon Dunning
http://www.talonart.com - http://www.arcane-marks.com
User avatar
Mortavius
Evil Genius
Evil Genius
Posts: 630
Joined: Wed Dec 17, 2003 11:21 am
Location: BC, Canada

Re: Ravenloft Artbook of Talon Dunning

Post by Mortavius »

Can't believe it took me this long to order this, but I just placed my order for your book, Talon. I look forward to it, I've always loved your work. I honestly feel that your work, and the full page pictures in the Monster Hunter's Compendiums are the best work in any Ravenloft book, across all the editions. And I'm not just saying that, I really mean it. For me, your work just captures the essence of the setting.
User avatar
Talon
Arch-villain
Arch-villain
Posts: 154
Joined: Sun Sep 19, 2010 12:52 am
Gender: Male
Location: Atlanta, GA
Contact:

Re: Ravenloft Artbook of Talon Dunning

Post by Talon »

Mortavius wrote:Can't believe it took me this long to order this, but I just placed my order for your book, Talon. I look forward to it, I've always loved your work. I honestly feel that your work, and the full page pictures in the Monster Hunter's Compendiums are the best work in any Ravenloft book, across all the editions. And I'm not just saying that, I really mean it. For me, your work just captures the essence of the setting.
Thanks! I appreciate that, although, really I was standing on the shoulders of the great Stephan Fabian and Mark Nelson. Those are the guys that defined the look of Ravenloft. I just tried to live up to the standards they set.
From the mind of Talon Dunning
http://www.talonart.com - http://www.arcane-marks.com
User avatar
Mortavius
Evil Genius
Evil Genius
Posts: 630
Joined: Wed Dec 17, 2003 11:21 am
Location: BC, Canada

Re: Ravenloft Artbook of Talon Dunning

Post by Mortavius »

Talon wrote:
Mortavius wrote:Can't believe it took me this long to order this, but I just placed my order for your book, Talon. I look forward to it, I've always loved your work. I honestly feel that your work, and the full page pictures in the Monster Hunter's Compendiums are the best work in any Ravenloft book, across all the editions. And I'm not just saying that, I really mean it. For me, your work just captures the essence of the setting.
Thanks! I appreciate that, although, really I was standing on the shoulders of the great Stephan Fabian and Mark Nelson. Those are the guys that defined the look of Ravenloft. I just tried to live up to the standards they set.
Well, I'm glad that you put your own spin on it, because I actually dislike Stephen Fabian's work the most. Don't get me wrong, the guy is very talented, and can draw better than I ever will be able to. But all those pictures with such heavy use of black; I like your pictures where there's more detail. Mark Nelson's work was better in that regard, but the details often got lost in many of his pictures; it seemed like everything was the same color. Your pics seem to have detail, but that detail is defined in different ways.
User avatar
Rogold Gildenman
Agent of the Fraternity
Agent of the Fraternity
Posts: 94
Joined: Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:18 am

Re: Ravenloft Artbook of Talon Dunning

Post by Rogold Gildenman »

Mostly, my Ravenloft regrets revolve around the portraits I did get to draw not really capturing the feel of the characters or not being up to snuff, artistically.
May I ask which ones bother you the most or would your prefer to continue nursing these professional reservations in private? :)

And, of course, I wish they'd been in color. My color skills weren't quite as refined in the early 00's as they are today, so I'm sure they wouldn't have been great, but I would love the opportunity to redo some of those portraits in full color today (for publication in a new Ravenloft edition, of course).
I must admit that I remain unsure if Full-Colour art would suit Ravenloft quite so well as black-and-white (with a great deal of misty grey to boot!); it adds something to the distinctive flavour of the Demiplane of Dread, but on the other hand one of my favourite Ravenloft images is in full colour (for the record it's the one linked to below) and variety IS the spice of life, so I remain on the fence.

Might I please ask what sort of colour palette you would like to apply to The Land of Mists and it's residents?


http://static3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2 ... rovich.jpg
Lost Heretic
Criminal Mastermind
Criminal Mastermind
Posts: 132
Joined: Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:22 pm
Location: La Nouvelle Angleterre

Re: Ravenloft Artbook of Talon Dunning

Post by Lost Heretic »

Rogold Gildenman wrote:Might I please ask what sort of colour palette you would like to apply to The Land of Mists and it's residents?

http://static3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2 ... rovich.jpg
I've always liked bright colored clothing contrasting the dark, cold rooms, like you commonly see in old Hammer Horror films.
Darker Days Radio - The World of Darkness Podcast
User avatar
The Giamarga
Evil Genius
Evil Genius
Posts: 2313
Joined: Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:11 pm
Location: wandering

Re: Ravenloft Artbook of Talon Dunning

Post by The Giamarga »

That's a stunning pic Rogold, one of my favorites, by one of my favorite artists. His planescape pieces are even more awesome...
User avatar
Talon
Arch-villain
Arch-villain
Posts: 154
Joined: Sun Sep 19, 2010 12:52 am
Gender: Male
Location: Atlanta, GA
Contact:

Re: Ravenloft Artbook of Talon Dunning

Post by Talon »

Rogold Gildenman wrote: May I ask which ones bother you the most or would your prefer to continue nursing these professional reservations in private? :)
I'd have to go back through them one by one to name specifics. Some are just better than others. But artists always have a completely different view of their own work. I don't tend to be overly critical of myself, but at the same time, I can tell when something wasn't up to snuff.
I must admit that I remain unsure if Full-Colour art would suit Ravenloft quite so well as black-and-white (with a great deal of misty grey to boot!); it adds something to the distinctive flavour of the Demiplane of Dread, but on the other hand one of my favourite Ravenloft images is in full colour (for the record it's the one linked to below) and variety IS the spice of life, so I remain on the fence.
There's not a lot of high-end RPG publishers that deal with b/w anymore. I even publish my own gaming books in color (mostly) and I'm extremely small-press (The Sensistive, my 'Ravenloft" prestige class, was an exception, done mostly for artistic reasons).
Might I please ask what sort of colour palette you would like to apply to The Land of Mists and it's residents?
I would apply whatever colors are necessary to the scene. They would still capture the gothic horror feel of course. Most scenes would be night scenes which would require gloomy, muted colors, usually in a cool palate. There would be a lot of black. But again, it would depend on the individual illustration and the light sources involved. Working mostly in pencil back in the day, it was difficult for me to do a lot of scenes with black in them. The "brushed graphite" technique I developed helped, especially near the end of the run, as that muted everything and gave me a mid-tone to work in, but mostly I stuck to line-art then, which is one of the things I wish I'd done differently. The art should be a lot more gloomy and moody than it is.
From the mind of Talon Dunning
http://www.talonart.com - http://www.arcane-marks.com
User avatar
Mangrum
Evil Genius
Evil Genius
Posts: 811
Joined: Mon Dec 15, 2003 1:29 am

Re: Ravenloft Artbook of Talon Dunning

Post by Mangrum »

To be honest, if I was going to use color in Ravenloft I'd still stick with the chiaroscuro B&W we've seen in the past, adding only splashes of crimson (a trickle of blood, a creature's glowing eyes) as highlights. Heck, if I were to run a RL game today on a virtual tabletop I'd convert any maps and art I used into grayscale as well.
User avatar
Talon
Arch-villain
Arch-villain
Posts: 154
Joined: Sun Sep 19, 2010 12:52 am
Gender: Male
Location: Atlanta, GA
Contact:

Re: Ravenloft Artbook of Talon Dunning

Post by Talon »

Mangrum wrote:To be honest, if I was going to use color in Ravenloft I'd still stick with the chiaroscuro B&W we've seen in the past, adding only splashes of crimson (a trickle of blood, a creature's glowing eyes) as highlights. Heck, if I were to run a RL game today on a virtual tabletop I'd convert any maps and art I used into grayscale as well.
That would actually be a pretty awesome approach, and mimics the old 2e books, which were b/w with red titles and graphics, as I recall (my group still refers to the parts of modules that the DM reads out loud as "pink text" in reference to the old Ravenloft modules). I believe White Wolf's Vampire The Requiem started out that was as well before they went with full-color interiors. It's a good look. Very gothic.
From the mind of Talon Dunning
http://www.talonart.com - http://www.arcane-marks.com
User avatar
HuManBing
Evil Genius
Evil Genius
Posts: 3748
Joined: Fri Jan 28, 2005 9:13 am
Contact:

Re: Ravenloft Artbook of Talon Dunning

Post by HuManBing »

Talon wrote:There's not a lot of high-end RPG publishers that deal with b/w anymore. I even publish my own gaming books in color (mostly) and I'm extremely small-press (The Sensistive, my 'Ravenloft" prestige class, was an exception, done mostly for artistic reasons).
Just plugging SJGames again. They're expanding their line of PDFs for Horror and Dungeon Fantasy, and their artwork (except for cover art) is exclusively black and white. Plus it would give gamers another sweet, sweet dose of Talon artwork! :D
Post Reply