I try to avoid commenting on anything while people are giving feedback so I can hear what people think unaffected by whatever I might say on the subject, so I wait until everyone is done before I say anything. It's difficult to tell on a forum how long that wait should be. I figure it's been long enough, so I'll reply to the comments people had about my article.
Rock of the Fraternity wrote: Fri Oct 31, 2025 3:15 pm
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Heresy, Heterodoxy and Heteropraxy" by
Tonitrus.
This article is a real banger in my book.
I loved that it reads as a genuine scholarly analysis of the various faiths of the Core, explaining its terminology and handling its subject matter fairly objectively.
The article also offers a lot of variation to the established religions of the Core, which can be good fun for a DM looking for some interesting NPCs or seeds for religious conflict beyond the established grudges between the churches we know. I'm just sorry Tonitrus didn't give the Duremkite heresy its own section, as he did for the other variants.
I sincerely hope you'll write more articles on this subject, and take a look at the faiths of other Clusters and Islands. I'd also like to know more about the viewpoint character, Alphonse Dufort. Who is he? Why did he write the article? Maybe there'll be a "Heresy, Heterodoxy and Heteropraxy 2" in our future?
>>> Duremkite heresy
I felt really bad about not including them. There are a few Ezran heresies I'd forgotten about when I wrote this that I wish I'd included as well (Danseurs Divin, the Cupbearers), but I remembered/became aware of the Duremkites while I was still writing and it caused me a bit of an existential crisis.
For one, I'd created a very similar group that I had to tweak/rewrite as a result. For another, I really wanted to include the Duremkites, but felt that doing so undermined the fiction of the article. If the author were to name them, then the Iron Faith would persecute them. As such I settled for making an oblique reference to them (pg. 501), but regret not doing more with them. By the time I became aware of them, I was too committed to the fictional form of the piece and couldn't think of a way to include them in a clearly OOC section.
>>> Faiths and Clusters
My typical creation process is "Bite off more than you can chew and just keep chewing. If somehow you survive that, bite off even more."
I'd originally planned to cover the Eternal Order, Belanus, and the Allgods Temple in Liffe, because I think Liffe is neat. I particularly wanted to address Belanus in Tepest vs Nidala, and to contrast local belief with Faithhold's version of Belanus. However, the article turned into way more work than I expected. Not that the writing was easy, but the process of creating the different factions was much harder than I anticipated. While the initial ones were fairly easy, I quickly found myself repeating concepts and being forced to create the different groups over and over again.
With the deadline coming up, I realized that I was likely to fail to submit the article entirely if I didn't focus on completing what I'd come up with rather than generating things for new factions. I figured I'd try to add the other ideas after I got the rest written, but I still ended up barely making the deadline.
I'd specifically decided to not touch on Zhakata or the Wolf God, who I don't particularly find interesting.
>>> Dufort
As for Dufort, he got rewritten at the last minute and I've also forgotten a lot of things about him since writing. His main goal and throughline, which never changed, was his desire to see religion recognized as a normal human experience, outside any supernatural or superstition, and to have this aspect of humanity studied with the same scholarly rigor that other fields receive. He's somewhat skeptical of religious claims and religious models of revelation, but he's also skeptical of the tendency of some academics to discard religious experience and ritual outright. He believes that religions and academia both have lessons to teach one another.
If I write a followup article, I'd be likely to contradict anything else I were to say about him, though!
>>> Heresy, Heterodoxy, and Heteropraxy 2
I'd planned to write an article¹ last year and did not, so I am reluctant to say that I will write a followup. There are things I wasn't able to include in this article that I'd like to revisit at some point, though.
¹ I'd decided to try to make a film noir Core for some reason, but forgot to actually write it. It was going to be titled something like 1299 BC.
IanFordam wrote: Sat Nov 01, 2025 10:46 am
Heresy, Heterodoxy, and Heteropraxy
by
Tonitrus
I very much enjoyed this article. The scholarly tone was convincing without being dry. It provides a useful framework for describing heresies and heterodoxies. It offers multiple examples of splinter faiths with sufficient (but not excessive) detail to incorporate them into a campaign. It even provides rationale for how the Iron Faith can operate in Hazlan despite its stance on arcane magic! (Short answer:
very carefully.)
As the only section dedicated to a non-Core domain, "Zherisia and the Divinity of Mankind" felt out of place to me. However, please take that as a miniscule complaint.
I really liked the various brief examples scattered throughout the text. We don't need a full stat block for Annette of St. Ronges; sufficient world-building detail is provided by the single paragraph describing her writings and her impact upon the Church of Ezra. My favorite such example is Balthazar Strazni of Liffe exactly because the Faith of the Thousand Gods is so obscure yet very appropriately referenced. These details do an excellent job of emphasizing the author's points without distracting from them.
Well done, Tonitrus!
>>> It even provides rationale for how the Iron Faith can operate in Hazlan despite its stance on arcane magic! (Short answer: very carefully.)
This was a substantial headache for me. I'm surprised it hasn't been dealt with more already. Hopefully I settled on an explanation that is believable.
>>> Zherisia felt out of place.
I'd intended to cover Belanus and the Allgods Temple at minimum, as I mentioned above. Zherisia was just the only one I had that was anywhere close to finished when I realized I was out of time.
>>> various brief examples
Even before I was anywhere close to finishing the article, it was clear to me that it was going to be much larger than I wanted it to be. I think at one point I wanted to talk more about the examples I give in that section, but it seemed like it would get out of hand. I also tend to like brief mentions of things because they make the world seem bigger and don't take a lot of space.
I figured people were likely to find the brief mentions distracting, so I'm glad you liked them!
Jeremy16 wrote: Tue Nov 11, 2025 8:33 pm
HERESY, HETERODOXY, AND HETEROPRAXY
This is a modest article (compared to the vast world building going on elsewhere), but really well done. I'm always in favor of anything that adds more nuance to the religions of Ravenloft.
I love the definitions that were given up front and the matter of fact presentation. It really feels like I'm peering over the shoulder of the author while he pores over esoteric tomes.
The various factions that were outlined, while not really gimmicky, are very believable. (It really goes to show that the slightest deviation can lead to a vastly different outlook on things.)
Another interesting aspect is the framework for dealing with heretics of all different faiths. It's good to see that there are more moderate approaches to such trespasses instead of the knee jerk witch burning of the Tepestani Inquisition.
Like others, I love the exploration of the growing rift between the Hazlani and Nova Vaasan versions of the Iron Faith.
The only complaint I have is the glaring lack of information on one of the core's major religions – The Eternal Order. And, some sadistic part of me wants to see what heretics of the Wolf God could possibly preach (perhap a peaceful co-existence with the hairless apes?) and what sanctions would be brought down upon them!
>>> various factions
I typically don't like religions in D&D. They seem very artificial to me. One of the reasons I fell in love with the Demiplane of Dread as much as I did was the way that the Church of Ezra and its many sects felt more believable to me. As a big fan of the idea of a "lived in" demiplane, I figured that taking the idea even further would just make the world feel more believable and large.
>>> Tepestani Inquisition
Belanus in general and the Tepestani Inquisition in particular was something I really wanted to cover, but I ran out of time, as I mentioned above. (Faiths and Clusters)
>>> The Eternal Order and Wolf God
I'd decided not to cover the Wolf God in a rare moment of sanity. I'd probably do so if I ran out of other religions to cover, though. It'd be second to last on my list, though, with Zhakata in last.
As for the Eternal Order, I had started writing things up for it when I ran out of time, but it was ... not good. By the time I got to the Eternal Order, I was just out of ideas. Practically every idea I came up with was similar to another thing I'd already done in the article. I threw out a lot of it for being dumb, but I was able to repurpose some of it.
I could think of heteropraxies for the Eternal Order, but no interesting heresies/heterodoxies. I could think of heresies and heterodoxies for the Zealots, but no heteropraxies that didn't seem better suited to the Eternal Order. Luckily I realized that the Zealots would likely continue older folk traditions, and I could just use the Eternal Order ones. Nothing else I wrote for the Eternal Order was worth keeping.
I think I'd have needed another 1-3 months to write something for the Eternal Order that was worth including in the article. Even if I were to try to write something for them now, I'm not sure I'd have any good ideas.
Thanks for the feedback, everyone!
My Thoughts
For my own part, one thing I don't care for in the article is the formatting of some of the factions. To be clear, this is purely my fault. It is formatted basically the same way in my original document and I had thought it might be an issue.
The Mitakians have a header, then there's a side bar, then things go into the regular text, which works well.
The Unparalleled Light begins with a sidebar, and there's no header. The Krigers are the same. I probably need to write a small bit of text so that I can have header, some text, sidebar. The Jurist sidebar rolls in the brief text I wrote for them, though, so I'm not sure how much text I should write. Or maybe I should break the paragraphs up differently.
There were other things I'd like to have mentioned in the article, but I think all of that has been covered above.